Hersheypark: Attraction 2012 Rumor and News Discussion

Kozmo's Kurves level Posts: 10 Join date: 2011-05-30

If they're are only 2 trains then that would make sense. I was going along the lines of if the train was still on the storage track and they were removing parts, like wheel assemblies---how do you get it off the storage track---

Anywho---The 3 train operation was used in the 90's.

Knowit4000 wrote:

Before the new train upgrade, the ride was MANUALLY operated.

...

Just a note on SDL --Is the 3rd train still on the storage track?

Trailblazer is still manually operated. There was a time it went to automatic operation, but it was changed back.

The third train for Looper is not on the storage track and three train operation continued through at least 2006, if not 2007.

I know that they're only running two SDL trains. I've only seen two the last several seasons. I didn't think they had a three train operation until that recently, I thought it was in the early 2000's when they went to two. Maybe I was wrong.

Trailblazer Level Posts: 6 Join date: 2011-05-19

How about that 4th report? That thing had ALL the answers!

Rolling Eyes

It's nice to know that it's Intamin, and has a 212 foot height at least... I think.

Trailblazer Level Posts: 6 Join date: 2011-05-04

I was at Hersheypark today. All the construction activity was taking place behind the Comet as usual. I was riding SDL and at the end of the ride, while rounding a curve after the final brake run, something painted in pink on the black top caught my eye. It said, "pulley". I ran over to the area where I saw this marking, which was near the bathrooms close to SDL and Comet. I could see that marking on the ground, but it was hard to make it out. Then I noticed another pink marking on the concrete footer for SDL. It was marked "rope".

Now it could mean 2 things- it could be the marking for the placement for the components for Intamin's cable lift system, or merely the fact that there's a hoist system directly above the markings that are used for SDL to remove/install the cars for the SDL.

rcoaster wrote:

Now it could mean 2 things- it could be the marking for the placement for the components for Intamin's cable lift system, or merely the fact that there's a hoist system directly above the markings that are used for SDL to remove/install the cars for the SDL.

It's for Looper.

2 more pieces left to go:

Just wanted to share this with you guys.
Was walking by the front gate yesterday and my boyfriend pointed out a shield above the Zoo America Outpost.

Doesnt it look familiar (sorta)?

Yes, I know exactly what you're referring to. Chris pointed those out to me back during the meet-up in April. Wondering if they took that idea for the symbol of RIT.

Check the facebook site it appears a video has been released about Rit?!

Link: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=170710946321619

On the facebook video, how/who/when did that person get that video. And he was talking about getting a licence for a Spider fibers or something like that, but, someone interupted him, and he left. The guy was the Coupone dude.

Jan Van Der Velde is one of the featured alumni on http://www.rideinstitute.com/about.php

"Jan Van Der Velde

VP - Competitive Research, AFW "

CoasterBGW wrote:

Jan Van Der Velde is one of the featured alumni on http://www.rideinstitute.com/about.php

"Jan Van Der Velde

VP - Competitive Research, AFW "

And, Jan has a Facebook account.. Hmmm....

I've been friends with him for a while now, nothing of significance on it...

the title of the video on the facebook wall, "somethings never change," in the namtimi game, there was a phrase mentioned alot. The phrase was "Things are not as they seem" I'm thinking the reoccurring phrase for this new game will be "Somethings never change," Rememberer back to nantimi, http://www.nantimi.com/truthRevealed.html The flashing image, one of the images is things are not what they seem, and that was also on numerous spots on the nantimi site. I think we have a new phrase here, SOMETHINGS NEVER CHANGE, and, both phrases have "things" mentioned. A deffinat connection there. I think this is DEFF a HUGE turning point leading to the announcement.

by licensing, do they mean new elements???

Sooperdooperlooper Level Posts: 49 Join date: 2011-04-25

The story so far:

There is some awkward wording here, which could mean that there is a clue or clues hidden in the text. "Triple electron telescopes" seems weird. The phrase "wind paving" especially sticks out to me, since it is a made-up phrase (as far as I can tell) with no apparent meaning. It's also weird that they would mention crossing the South Pole Telescope specifically, and not just crossing the South Pole (the telescope is located at Amundsen–Scott Station, just a few hundred feet from the exact location of the South Pole). Perhaps another astronomical clue (remember the Big Dipper/Ursa Major and Comet Halley from earlier)?

I won't even touch the "launchable iron ore cocktail" or "iron launchings" (i'm not sure "launchings" is even proper English -- "launches" is definitely the common term).

Sooperdooperlooper Level Posts: 53 Join date: 2011-03-17

"Triple Electron Telescopes" ... custom design. Could we be given train clues here?? "Mid Air Excavation" a possible point to air time hills? Hopefully in abundance Smile

I like how the alloy was named RC12...roller coaster 12. I noticed that last week. Since the article mentioned the South Pole, does anyone know the constellations in the southern sky? I might do some googling to find out more.

I can't seem to get anything from the graph at the bottom (other than seeing the mention of the white drawf). I doubt it would be put there for nothing. Can anyone else pull meaning from it?

Last edited by gb980109 on Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:31 am; edited 1 time in total

I found this website: http://lamarcusbros.com/index.php

One of the subpages: http://lamarcusbros.com/projects.php

The first time I saw the graph I immediately thought of a parabolic curve = floater air.

gb980109 wrote:

I found this website: http://lamarcusbros.com/index.php

One of the subpages: http://lamarcusbros.com/projects.php

Interesting. What's strange is quite a few things:
1. Their website seems to be set up somewhat similar to the Ride Institute page.
2. They say that they contributed to building Storm Runner and Fahrenheit and yet their Contact Us page is still under construction.
3. Their Latest News section goes back to 2010 (similar to the RIT one). Interestingly the dates are all around within several days of the Ride Institute dates. Even more interesting is the talk of them doing thier 12th annual Rubber Ducky Regotta. I tried googling it and nothing showed up. I would think there would be something mentioning it.
4. Their About section. Whenever something like "hover dump truck" is mentioned, it makes me wonder, what the hell??? lol
5. Googled Kangaroo Bridge and found nothing.

Nothing seems to be adding up..... must be another RIT-like website. Very Happy

Interesting. Do you think Hershey may have created that webpage to throw us off?

Sooperdooperlooper Level Posts: 49 Join date: 2011-04-25

Lots of stuff here. Lets start on the About Us page:

Quote:

After 12 months, Jeff resigned and moved back to Pennsylvania where he developed the first "wind paver."

Quote:

9/15/10 – Rocky LaMarcus appears on construction radio call-in show at WHPRK
8/2/10 – LaMarcus Brothers holds 12th annual rubber duckie regatta on Susquehanna River waterfront

Two references to the number 12, as well as HPRK (HersheyPaRK)

Services:

Quote:

Exploratory Air Surveys – From 12 – 220 feet

Station height 12 ft, first drop 220 ft?

Quote:

Ensuring a smooth high-air base with a specified slope is vital for the stability of mid-air projects. Improper high-air grading often leads to expensive aboveground drainage repair, rerouted supra-countouring, and faulty atmospheric slabjacking.

Smooth high-air base with a specified slope sounds like a megacoaster. Above-ground drainage repair and rerouting sounds like what they are working on in the creek.

Quote:

A full atmospheric excavation ensures your project’s speedy progression through the often complicated permitting and government licensing process.

A reference to the leaked plans that came out of the permiting process?

Projects:

Quote:

Storm Runner – In 2004, LaMarcus Brothers partnered with Intamin and Hershey Entertainment & Resorts Company to build Storm Runner and maximize its vertical horsepower. Since its completion, the hydraulic-powered Storm Runner has become one of the most popular rides at Hersheypark.

Fahrenheit – In 2007, LaMarcus Brothers again partnered with Hershey Entertainment & Resorts Company to excavate the 121-foot airscape overhanging the proposed Fahrenheit vertical chain lift. After extensive high-air grading and atmospheric excavation, both completed on time and under budget, Fahrenheit anchored a record-breaking summer season at Hersheypark.

Kangaroo Bridge – In 2009, Jeffrey and Rocky LaMarcus temporarily relocated to New Zealand to design the above-ground foundation for the Kangaroo Bridge connecting the north and south islands. Construction is set to begin in early 2012.

Storm Runner and Farenheight are both Intamin. "Kangaroo Bridge" better not be the name of the new ride.

Safety:

Quote:

This includes step-by-step instruction in our 5-point “Never-Fall” safety harnesses,

It doesn't sound good for those hoping for lap bars, although I guess an OTSR restraint (similar to that on i305) was a foregon conclusion given Intamin's recent history.

It is 100% done by the same people as RIT...

Google analytics ID:

RIT: UA-21784032-1
LMB: UA-21784032-2

Same client ID, but different site ID.

HPCrazy wrote:

Interesting. Do you think Hershey may have created that webpage to throw us off?

No. Think back to Nantimi when they created a blog for one of their members to discuss their travels and release a few clues here and there. It could be something similar to that, but on a bigger scale.

^That's what I thought. Looks like RIT and LaMarcus Brothers are from the same people.

Yeah, after you mentioned that, I remember something about a blog during the Nantimi game now.

Also, something was mentioned about the LeMarcus Bros in that puzzle. So they're just moving on to the next part of this game. ahecht also made some great observations. I don't know what Kangaroo Bridge refers to, but I can pretty much guarantee you that it's not the name of the new ride.

HPCrazy wrote:

Also, something was mentioned about the LeMarcus Bros in that puzzle. So they're just moving on to the next part of this game. ahecht also made some great observations. I don't know what Kangaroo Bridge refers to, but I can pretty much guarantee you that it's not the name of the new ride.

I searched LeMarcus Bros. on Google because they were mentioned in the PDF.

Something to note, Kangaroo Bridge/New Zealand is the third Southern Hemisphere reference. The Amazon, the South Pole, now New Zealand. That could be a coincidence. I think Kangaroo Bridge is a reference to Cheetah Hunt in some way. Could be knocking the name maybe? Lol, who knows?

An animal-themed coaster amongst two existing coasters with space-themed names? Wouldn't make sense. Maybe this has to do since they're working in the creek and that area is surrounded by trees.

HPCrazy wrote:

An animal-themed coaster amongst two existing coasters with space-themed names? Wouldn't make sense. Maybe this has to do since they're working in the creek and that area is surrounded by trees.

Great Bear is both space and animal themed. Obviously it's more space because it's Ursa Major, but at face value (and you know nothing about astronomy) it's an animal theme. Either way, that's not my point. My point is that Cheetah Hunt is a big story right now and it's an Intamin...I think it's just a reference to it for whatever reason (as I said, perhaps even poking fun at the Chertah Hunt name).

Someone on facebook made a good find:

Quote:

posted by Walter White

I know everyone is hype for a mega lite coaster from most of the posts everywehre. I do whoever have a diffrent spin of sorts on this . Spider fiber.... one of two things yet to be figured out. 1) spider fiber a type of fiber glass. 2) a restrant system for a flying coaster. I know you are saying the height versus g force issue. on the new web site they talk about "5-point “Never-Fall” safety harnesses" which would also imply a safty restranint or a flying coaster harness.
CHeckout the kangroo project also saying connecting the north and south islands .
maybe the long awited bridge over hersheypark drive to a new area or over the road to the old golf course. they have the cyclops laid out in the field near the home office . maybe a new theme area?

Kingdom Coaster Level Posts: 26 Join date: 2010-10-02

I like the idea about the bridge. That would be great. But I will be mad if it is a flyer. But this guys ideas make sense.

Yeah I was thinking mabye bridging HersheyPark too with the two island concept. Cetus(Sea Monster), Canis Major(Great Dog), Pisces(Fish), Pegasus, and Capricornus(Goat) are all southern hemisphere constellations themed after animals. The problem is that none of these are well known enough and Pegasus is related more to greek methology then the stars. The one that I didn't mention was Leo. The constellation is well-known and who couldn't theme a coaster to a magestic lion. Things such as spider webs don't very much relate to Leo but the original RIT crest did...

Bigcoaster95 wrote:

I like the idea about the bridge. That would be great. But I will be mad if it is a flyer. But this guys ideas make sense.

Intamin isn't going down the flyer road. Not yet anyway. As it stands they're trying to compete with B&M over the wing rider concept and they're really pushing the ZacSpin/ball coaster.

I believe the "five-point" restraint refers to the OTSR restraint. Four corners of the Intamin OTSR and then the seat belt in the middle.

Also, Hershey's "home office" is the Press Building in downtown Hershey.

Kingdom Coaster Level Posts: 31 Join date: 2011-03-03

Five point harnesses are used in race cars. (Left Shoulder, Right Shoulder, Left Hip, Right Hip, Between Legs)

A picture:

Kozmo's Kurves level Posts: 10 Join date: 2011-06-02

I'm new to this site but I've been lurking for a while now.

I know I'm reading too much into this, but when I googled Kangaroo Bridge one of the first hits was a Wikipedia page titled Hampden Bridge (Kangaroo Valley). It's a suspension bridge, which goes along with the flying/suspended coaster idea. And it's also in Australia, which goes along with the New Zealand/southern hemisphere theme. Construction began on the bridge in 1895 and The Hershey Company was founded in 1894.

I know this is all just a coincidence probably, but it's funny how things sort of fall into place.

Do any coasters have that type of restraint? I think it would be more of a hassle if anything to put that type of restraint on.

Trailblazer Level Posts: 5 Join date: 2011-04-16

How about the constellation "Southern Cross"? If I'm not mistaken, the location is in the "southern" part of the park and the new coaster will "cross" the creek several times. How's that for grasping at straws????

Guest

The home officew thing...There are multiple offices for Herco.
One is downtown, One is across from choclate world. Park offices are on site. There is even an employment building down the one street near the bar behind the storm runner.( outside the park)

Wizzard33 wrote:

The home officew thing...There are multiple offices for Herco.
One is downtown, One is across from choclate world. Park offices are on site. There is even an employment building down the one street near the bar behind the storm runner.( outside the park)

There is without a doubt tons of HE&R Buildings but the HOME building and where the Corp offices, MARKETING, executives, and reservations is at the Press Building. It really is the HOME of the HE&R Company.

Another thing I wanna add is maybe since there are two websites.. maybe there will be two new rides? Maybe theres a coaster and the "Never-Fall" ride. For some reason that sticks out to me in the LaMarcus brothers safety thingy. Rumors have been flying about a drop tower. Maybe they're gonna do both??

Speaking of... Go to the safety screen and on the right hand side is a random blue underline.. Click it and back you go to the RIT Studies page.. Hmmmmm... I think they might be connected! LOL! Idk if thats a mistake or what but we are positive now! I also emailed the address just for kicks and giggles.

On a random side note as well.. Walking the park a few days ago; Racer's extended queue is slowly disappearing. That could mean space for a ride (possibly)!!

PSUPrincess22 wrote:

Speaking of... Go to the safety screen and on the right hand side is a random blue underline.. Click it and back you go to the RIT Studies page.. Hmmmmm... I think they might be connected! LOL! Idk if thats a mistake or what but we are positive now! I also emailed the address just for kicks and giggles.

It's not a mistake. I just clicked the link and the picture at the top of the studies page flashes with different colored letters and numbers. My eyes are too tired now to try and piece them all together but maybe someone else wants to try it later.

It seems to flash on the 2 v m and b (m and b appear to flash at the same time, while 2 is first then v). When they flash, the colors of the letters change...2 is yellow, v is orange, m is blue, B is green.

Kozmo's Kurves level Posts: 12 Join date: 2011-06-03

Long-time lurker but finally posting...I typed "2VBm" into the search field and it linked me to this site:

http://rideinstitute.com/pdf/jvdv_com_ch02.pdf

There is a foreign language document that translates to:

Quote:

CONFIDENTIAL SECTION [0 1 1 2] AFW JVDV
S T R U U i t C o m ite I MPLEMENTATION A F W
TITLE: Hers hey park MINI paals stones y m
T A G S P R O J E C T 2 0 1 2
- - - - - - - - - - - - OVERVIEW AND ACTIVITIES - - - - - - - - -
A12. (JVDV) Hershey Park has created a new mini-pile foundation system.
A13. (JVDV) Mini-piles to integrate with rock and earth connections Foundation
system.
A14. (JVDV) Mini redundant posts need huge piles, saving competitive
time, cost, construction, excavation, etc.
A15. (JVDV) Consistent application of new technology attraction
Institute proposes stronger ties with Ride than previously thought.
A16. (JVDV) Caught snapshot suggests dark tone footer underground
buried.
A17. (JVDV) Mini-piles to absorb energy, not only strength but
significant upthrust ride.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Opinion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
P01 - AFW see further deterioration in its competitive standing against
New technology is being used by more aggressive players in the market.
Lagging technology expertise has elevated to the status of
AFW P01 and requires a further investment in both competitive monitoring
and control.
JVDV
DIR, COMP. RESEARCH
A W F

Then there is a diagram of something...I'm guessing the referenced "mini-piles"??

Sooperdooperlooper Level Posts: 49 Join date: 2011-04-25

The order is:
Normal - 0.07 seconds
All White - 0.02 seconds
Yellow 2 - 0.10 seconds
Orange V - 0.10 seconds
Lime green B (or β) - 0.10 seconds
Light blue B (or β) and light blue M - 0.10 seconds
Normal - 2.00 seconds

Little Phantom Level Posts: 23 Join date: 2011-05-21

Quote:

There is a foreign language document that translates to:

I can tell you offhand that the original language in the letter is German. Perhaps another clue to who designed the coaster...which leads me to intamin, since switzerland is a german speaking country.

Overall it could just show what the footers in the creek bed are designed like to offer maximum stability...

Also could AFW be another clue as to where to go or look for something? Find it odd we have never seen that until this letter thing.

Also....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB7BhwAW5BE&feature=related
Just found that on youtube, posted by the same JanVanDerMan that posted the press conference video...

Sooperdooperlooper Level Posts: 49 Join date: 2011-04-25

Thanks for the PDF! A corrected translation from Dutch:

Quote:

CONFIDENTIAL SECTION (01 of 12) A F W J.V.D.V
STEERING COMMITTEE OF THE EXECUTIVE AFW
TITLE: HERSHEYPARK MINI POLE SYSTEM
TAGS: PROJECT 2012
- - - - - - - - - - - - OVERVIEW AND ACTIVITIES - - - - - - - - -
A12. (JVDV) Hershey Park has created a new mini-pile foundation system.
A13. (JVDV) Mini-piles to integrate with rock and earth connections Foundation
system.
A14. (JVDV) Mini redundant posts need huge piles, saving competitive
time, cost, construction, excavation, etc.
A15. (JVDV) Consistent application of new technology attraction
Institute proposes stronger ties with Ride than previously thought.
A16. (JVDV) Caught snapshot suggests dark tone footer underground
buried.
A17. (JVDV) Mini-piles to absorb energy, not only strength but
significant upthrust ride.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Opinion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
P01 - AFW see further deterioration in its competitive standing against
New technology is being used by more aggressive players in the market.
Lagging technology expertise has elevated to the status of
AFW P01 and requires a further investment in both competitive monitoring
and control.
JVDV
DIR, COMP. RESEARCH
A W F

The second page:

Quote:

MINIPILE SYSTEM FOUNDATION

GROUND LEVEL

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257863IPg125470

257863Mj125470

257863X.125470

Little Phantom Level Posts: 23 Join date: 2011-05-21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB7BhwAW5BE&feature=related

Just found that on youtube, posted by the same JanVanDerMan that posted the press conference video...
video looks to be a construction update...before he gets kicked out...

Sooperdooperlooper Level Posts: 49 Join date: 2011-04-25

warfelg wrote:

Quote:

There is a foreign language document that translates to:

I can tell you offhand that the original language in the letter is German. Perhaps another clue to who designed the coaster...which leads me to intamin, since switzerland is a german speaking country.

Actually, it's Dutch, not German. Jan Van Der Veld is a Dutch name. Presumably, JVDV used to work for RIT, but now works for AFW, which is a competitor.

Little Phantom Level Posts: 23 Join date: 2011-05-21

Quote:

Actually, it's Dutch, not German. Jan Van Der Veld is a Dutch name. Presumably, JVDV used to work for RIT, but now works for AFW, which is a competitor.

That was my bad....it's been a few years since learning german and some dutch so I was a little rusty in telling the difference

Also sending a message to JanVanDerMan through youtube...hopefully I get some type of response

freakylick wrote:

Long-time lurker but finally posting...I typed "2VBm" into the search field and it linked me to this site:

http://rideinstitute.com/pdf/jvdv_com_ch02.pdf

There is a foreign language document that translates to:

Quote:

CONFIDENTIAL SECTION [0 1 1 2] AFW JVDV
S T R U U i t C o m ite I MPLEMENTATION A F W
TITLE: Hers hey park MINI paals stones y m
T A G S P R O J E C T 2 0 1 2
- - - - - - - - - - - - OVERVIEW AND ACTIVITIES - - - - - - - - -
A12. (JVDV) Hershey Park has created a new mini-pile foundation system.
A13. (JVDV) Mini-piles to integrate with rock and earth connections Foundation
system.
A14. (JVDV) Mini redundant posts need huge piles, saving competitive
time, cost, construction, excavation, etc.
A15. (JVDV) Consistent application of new technology attraction
Institute proposes stronger ties with Ride than previously thought.
A16. (JVDV) Caught snapshot suggests dark tone footer underground
buried.
A17. (JVDV) Mini-piles to absorb energy, not only strength but
significant upthrust ride.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Opinion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
P01 - AFW see further deterioration in its competitive standing against
New technology is being used by more aggressive players in the market.
Lagging technology expertise has elevated to the status of
AFW P01 and requires a further investment in both competitive monitoring
and control.
JVDV
DIR, COMP. RESEARCH
A W F

Then there is a diagram of something...I'm guessing the referenced "mini-piles"??

Ah! I recognize that diagram. That's how the footers for Storm Runner are laid out. When I job shadowed a few years ago I was shown a diagram similar to that.

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